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== What I'm trying to look smart with ==
{{user:bzc6p/Obituary|website=nolblog.hu|is-was=is|operator=Mworks Print Zrt.|date=January 31, 2016|years=12}}
::''That era of the web is far behind us when a single'' <code>wget -r -p</code> ''command could mirror a website in its entirety. Nowadays each and every website has its own soul, its own hideous Javascript-linked content, not to mention the various file formats and ways of embedding content. Thus, if one is serious about web archiving, each and every website must be discovered carefully, often painstakingly, which is in too few cases possible in any automated ways.''
 
 
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary Hungarian] amateur who joined the efforts of ArchiveTeam. "Specialized" in watching and saving Hungarian websites.


== What I probably shouldn't have archived ==
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<font color="red">'''Általam feltöltött tartalom eltávolításával kapcsolatos kéréseket a <code>vichra</code><code>timot</code><code>@euro</code><code>mail.</code><code>hu</code> címre kell küldeni.'''</font>
<font color="red">'''Kapcsolat: <code>vichratimot (kukac) euromail (pont) hu</code>'''</font>


'''Requests for removal of content uploaded by me should be sent to <code>vichra</code><code>timot</code><code>@euro</code><code>mail.</code><code>hu</code>.'''
'''Contact: <code>vichratimot (at) euromail (dot) hu</code>'''
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== Who I am ==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary Hungarian] amateur who joined the efforts of ArchiveTeam. "Specialized" in watching and saving Hungarian websites.


== What I've done ==
== My projects ==
[[File:Keep_calm_and_hate_javascript.png|thumb|This user is on a tin can connected to a windmill,<ref>http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam?date=2015-07-05,Sun&sel=163#l159</ref> likes simplicity, likes archiving websites, therefore '''hates Javascript''' being used to just show components of websites.]]
Websites that I've archived, I'm archiving or I've took part in organizing their archival, in reversed chronological order in each category. If the website has an entry on this wiki, consult that page for the archives. If not, a link to the archives should be found in the appropriate line.
*What I've saved or am saving:
 
** stuff listed with my name on [[Small projects]]
=== Large websites ===
** tiny projects:
* [[myVIP]] ({{orange|in progress}})
*** [[Demotivalo.net]] – status: endangered/closed – saved in 2014 – archives: see [[Demotivalo.net|there]]
* [[kepfeltoltes.hu]] ({{blue|continuous}})
*** [http://netszar.com netszar.com] – status: endangered – saved in June 2015 – archive: [https://archive.org/details/netszar_com_2015_06]
*** Kajászószentpéter – closed on 2015-07-07 – saved in June 2015 – archives: [https://archive.org/details/kajaszoszentpeter_hu_2015_06], [https://archive.org/details/kajaszoszentpeter_photos], [https://archive.org/details/kajaszoszentpeter_videos]
*** Astra Insurance ([http://www.astrasig.ro Romania], [http://www.astrabiztosito.hu Hungary]) – status: closing – saved in November 2015 – archives: [http://archive.org/details/astrasig_ro_20151128], [http://archive.org/details/astrabiztosito_hu_20151126]
*** legalja.hu – status: endangered – saved in December 2015 – archive: [https://archive.org/details/legalja_hu_20151227]
*[[Template:Hungarian websites|What I'm watching]]
*[[:Category:Hungarian websites|What I've written about]]


Also saved [http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/bzc6p a few wikis] in the beginning.
=== Medium-sized websites ===
* [[Wikispot]]
* [[PSharing]] ({{blue|continuous}})
* [[keptarad.hu]]
* [[kepkezelo.com]] ({{blue|continuous}})
* [[noob.hu]]
* [[GTF Képhost]] ({{blue|continuous}})


I sometimes also take part in [[Warrior]] projects, in those rare cases when the tracker limit is not already saturated.
=== Small websites ===


== My to-do list (Hungarian deathwatch) ==
* nolblog.hu ({{orange|in progress}})
* [[TVN.hu#tudjatok.hu|tudjatok.hu]] ({{orange|in progress}})
* [http://kszz.profitarhely.hu Kecskeméti Szimfonikus Zenekar] ([https://archive.org/details/kszz_profitarhely_hu_20160128 archive])
* [http://melecafe.com Mele Café] ([https://archive.org/details/melecafe_com_20160128 archive])
* [http://cafealibi.hu Café Alibi] ([https://archive.org/details/cafealibi_hu_20160126 archive])
* [http://efmk.hu Kecskeméti Kulturális és Konferencia Központ] ([https://archive.org/details/efmk_hu_20160107 archive])
* [http://szeplakierzsebet.hu Széplaki Erzsébet] ([https://archive.org/details/szeplakierzsebet_hu_20160111 archive])
* [http://freddyfitness.hu Freddy Fitness] ([https://archive.org/details/freddyfitness_hu_20160106 archive])
* [http://legalja.hu legalja.hu] ([https://archive.org/details/legalja_hu_20151227 archive])
* Astra Insurance: [http://www.astrasig.ro Romania] ([http://archive.org/details/astrasig_ro_20151128 archive]), [http://www.astrabiztosito.hu Hungary] ([http://archive.org/details/astrabiztosito_hu_20151126 archive])
* [http://kajaszoszentpeter.hu Kajászószentpéter] (archives: [https://archive.org/details/kajaszoszentpeter_hu_2015_06 website], [https://archive.org/details/kajaszoszentpeter_photos photos], [https://archive.org/details/kajaszoszentpeter_videos videos])
* [http://netszar.com netszar.com] ([https://archive.org/details/netszar_com_2015_06 archive])
* Hungarian [[Volán]] websites
* [[Demotivalo.net]]
* [http://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/bzc6p A few wikis] in the beginning.


As soon as I have enough time, I should archive the following sites as they are at a certain risk of disappearing. (Doesn't list sites I've already started working on.) In order of urgency:
== My to-do list ==
In order of urgency.


# '''[[nolblog.hu]] – closing on 2016-01-31'''
# [[Fotoalbum.hu]] – currently crashed, keeping an eye on it
# [[Fotoalbum.hu]] – currently crashed, keeping an eye on it
# [[xfree.hu]] – site seems to be okay, but company behind it is very much in the red for years now
# [[TVN.hu]] websites – site seems to be okay, but company behind it is very much in the red for years now
# [[hotdog.hu]] – company that bought it performs very badly
# [[hotdog.hu]] – company that bought it performs very badly
# [[mindenkilapja.hu]] – owner seems okay but site is not cared of, full of spam
# [[mindenkilapja.hu]] – owner seems okay but site is not cared of, full of spam
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# [[videok.hu]] – a video sharing site not (any more) too popular, not really cared for, owner same as the one of [[Ingyenweb]]
# [[videok.hu]] – a video sharing site not (any more) too popular, not really cared for, owner same as the one of [[Ingyenweb]]


== What I recommend ==
== Philosophy ==
My experience with my few website archiving endavours so far suggests that there are very few websites today that can be mirrored completely in automated ways without human control and intervention. Thus, if one wants to make quality archives even of a small website, it needs more or less attention, often additional work, or several, supplemental runs of archiving tools.
 
These archiving tools ([https://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/wget.html wget], [http://github.com/chfoo/wpull wpull], [[ArchiveBot]] etc.) are very important and useful, but in most cases, are themselves incapable of making complete archives. My philosophy is that we should do as complete and quality archives as possible, if we set off on the journey of archiving a website, so we cannot rely solely on these tools. Of course, constrained by time and resources, we must make a compromise. Otherwise, however, the above applies. At least for me. This is how I archive.
 
== Recommended tools ==
Tools I've been using with satisfaction.
 
*Chfoo's [http://github.com/chfoo/wpull Wpull] for saving to [[WARC]]
*Chfoo's [http://github.com/chfoo/wpull Wpull] for saving to [[WARC]]
** wget still lacks some handy features wpull already has got
* Ikreymer's [http://webrecorder.io webrecorder.io] when things are too difficult
* Ikreymer's [http://webrecorder.io webrecorder.io] when things are too difficult
** wget still lacks some handy features wpull already has got
** No, I don't prefer [[ArchiveBot]] as most websites can't be saved automatically, also one can't really fine-tune a specific ArchiveBot job. Can be useful and powerful, but it's still <s>quite dull</s> under development. '''Use with caution.'''
*Alard's [https://github.com/alard/warc-proxy warc-proxy] or Ikreymer's [https://github.com/ikreymer/webarchiveplayer webarchiveplayer] for testing WARCs
*Alard's [https://github.com/alard/warc-proxy warc-proxy] or Ikreymer's [https://github.com/ikreymer/webarchiveplayer webarchiveplayer] for testing WARCs
*Kngenie's [https://github.com/kngenie/ias3upload ias3upload] for uploading to [[Internet Archive|IA]]
*Kngenie's [https://github.com/kngenie/ias3upload ias3upload] for uploading to [[Internet Archive|IA]]
**No, I tried but didn't like the [https://pypi.python.org/pypi/internetarchive internetarchive] tool.
**You may like the [https://pypi.python.org/pypi/internetarchive internetarchive] tool better, but I haven't used that yet.


== My dreams ==
== Further plans ==
=== Short term (will maybe realized one day) ===
I hope one day I can re-host Hungarian websites that are dead now but have been archived. Or, at least, create a Wayback Machine for Hungarian websites, that would also serve as a mirror to the corresponding Internet Archive items.
I'd like to create a small Hungarian Internet Archive, collecting and presenting archives of websites saved by me or others, just like the [[Internet Archive]] and the Wayback Machine does. (Don't think of large scale, just starting with a few second-hand 1 TB hard disks connected to a home server.) Also, I'd restore died websites on their original location (domain) if possible, so rotten links could resurrect.


This could also act as a mirror of some websites uploaded to IA.
I would also be glad to record Hungarian radio and television channels' programme 24/7, but that would require a vast amount of resources.


=== Long term (isn't likely to be realized ever) ===
== Hungarian articles about Archive Team ==
Recording main Hungarian radio and television channels' complete program (0–24), and also give the public restricted access to these archives. (There is [http://nava.hu/what-is-nava/ NAVA], but that doesn't record everything, and is often a bit difficult to access.)
Below I've collected online Hungarian news articles published about Archive Team that I've been able to find. The list is in reversed chronological order.


== What I've found in Hungarian about ArchiveTeam ==
*Sándor Berta: ''[http://sg.hu/cikkek/67175/archivaljak-a-geocities-tartalmakat Archiválják a GeoCities-tartalmakat]'' (''They archive GeoCities' contents''). sg.hu, 2009-05-04.
*Sándor Berta: ''[http://sg.hu/cikkek/67175/archivaljak-a-geocities-tartalmakat Archiválják a GeoCities-tartalmakat]'' (''They archive GeoCities' contents''). sg.hu, 2009-05-04.
*Ádám Szedlák: ''[http://www.origo.hu/techbazis/internet/20090513-geocities-freeweb-archivalokra-varnak-az-ingyenes-tarhelyek.html Megmentik az őshonlapokat]'' (''They are saving the ancient websites''). origo.hu, 2009-05-13. (About [[Geocities]].)
*Ádám Szedlák: ''[http://www.origo.hu/techbazis/internet/20090513-geocities-freeweb-archivalokra-varnak-az-ingyenes-tarhelyek.html Megmentik az őshonlapokat]'' (''They are saving the ancient websites''). origo.hu, 2009-05-13. (About [[Geocities]].)
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*Dániel Dojcsák: ''[http://www.hwsw.hu/hirek/51400/blip-videomegoszto-online-tartalom-premium-torles-arhivum.html Elpusztulhat a nem profitképes online tartalom]'' (''Non-profitable online content may vanish''). hwsw.hu, 2013-12-03. (Mentions ArchiveTeam saving [[Blip.tv|Blip]] videos.)
*Dániel Dojcsák: ''[http://www.hwsw.hu/hirek/51400/blip-videomegoszto-online-tartalom-premium-torles-arhivum.html Elpusztulhat a nem profitképes online tartalom]'' (''Non-profitable online content may vanish''). hwsw.hu, 2013-12-03. (Mentions ArchiveTeam saving [[Blip.tv|Blip]] videos.)
*Péter Szűcs: ''[http://itcafe.hu/hir/az_internet_nem_felejt.html Az internet nem felejt]'' (''The internet doesn't forget''). itcafe.hu, 2015-03-05. (About ArchiveTeam's activity in general.)
*Péter Szűcs: ''[http://itcafe.hu/hir/az_internet_nem_felejt.html Az internet nem felejt]'' (''The internet doesn't forget''). itcafe.hu, 2015-03-05. (About ArchiveTeam's activity in general.)
== References ==
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Revision as of 22:36, 31 January 2016

In memory of

nolblog.hu

that is discontinued by Mworks Print Zrt. on January 31, 2016
after 12 years of operation.

Along with the knowledge, stories and feelings it has collected,
may it have an eternal rest in the archives
and may it be kept in our memories.
It will be missed.

bzc6p and the mourning users


Hungarian amateur who joined the efforts of ArchiveTeam. "Specialized" in watching and saving Hungarian websites.

Kapcsolat: vichratimot (kukac) euromail (pont) hu

Contact: vichratimot (at) euromail (dot) hu


My projects

Websites that I've archived, I'm archiving or I've took part in organizing their archival, in reversed chronological order in each category. If the website has an entry on this wiki, consult that page for the archives. If not, a link to the archives should be found in the appropriate line.

Large websites

Medium-sized websites

Small websites

My to-do list

In order of urgency.

  1. Fotoalbum.hu – currently crashed, keeping an eye on it
  2. TVN.hu websites – site seems to be okay, but company behind it is very much in the red for years now
  3. hotdog.hu – company that bought it performs very badly
  4. mindenkilapja.hu – owner seems okay but site is not cared of, full of spam
  5. Ingyenweb – a very old and obsoleted free webhosting site not cared for by the maintainer. Also sitting on some valuable domain names
  6. videok.hu – a video sharing site not (any more) too popular, not really cared for, owner same as the one of Ingyenweb

Philosophy

My experience with my few website archiving endavours so far suggests that there are very few websites today that can be mirrored completely in automated ways without human control and intervention. Thus, if one wants to make quality archives even of a small website, it needs more or less attention, often additional work, or several, supplemental runs of archiving tools.

These archiving tools (wget, wpull, ArchiveBot etc.) are very important and useful, but in most cases, are themselves incapable of making complete archives. My philosophy is that we should do as complete and quality archives as possible, if we set off on the journey of archiving a website, so we cannot rely solely on these tools. Of course, constrained by time and resources, we must make a compromise. Otherwise, however, the above applies. At least for me. This is how I archive.

Recommended tools

Tools I've been using with satisfaction.

Further plans

I hope one day I can re-host Hungarian websites that are dead now but have been archived. Or, at least, create a Wayback Machine for Hungarian websites, that would also serve as a mirror to the corresponding Internet Archive items.

I would also be glad to record Hungarian radio and television channels' programme 24/7, but that would require a vast amount of resources.

Hungarian articles about Archive Team

Below I've collected online Hungarian news articles published about Archive Team that I've been able to find. The list is in reversed chronological order.


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